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Discussion in 'Loss of Spouse' started by Gary166, Oct 5, 2021.

  1. Gary166

    Gary166 Guest

    Patti I believe the flashing Christmas lights are a sign that Jack is going to be with you through the holidays and then some. The flashing lights detect an energy field like Jack’s spirit. Deb the facilitator at the grief support meetings tells us if somebody wants to bring a meal over that’s fine. leave it at the door and go away. do not retrieve the meal until they go away. If I get invited to any of the holidays I am going to tell them don’t bother inviting me to Christmas either. I may contact you next spring. Robin your sister sounds like she’s demon possessed. People like that drain me. I run from them as if they had the plague. We all need to keep ourselves in a safe environment with people we trust and are concerned about our best interests. My cousin was going hunting with me this year but has Covid. I ran into an old friend last night and he’s coming over Saturday to go hunting with me. this is great news. I finally got on my exercise bike yesterday for 40 minutes. The physical part of the grief recovery is important. I felt a lot better afterwards. Today is my last volunteer day at the prairie restoration project. I have made about eight good friends there. And I correspond regularly with one. Lou I don’t see myself moving for a while but I am going to start researching places. I can’t stay here forever. I’d like to be near a place that had a long bike trail through a natural habitat area. I have to try to live in the solution not the problem. I hope all TGW have the best day possible. Gary
     
  2. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    On bus to Gloucester, for new adventures.
    It's a 60 degree, sunny day, the gem of the
    week, so I need a break from my usual
    routines. I'll see where the day will take me. I'm going to have breakfast at Charlie's, which is "old Gloucester" as
    Linda used to say. She missed places that
    were no longer around, & had a sense of
    loss, which I didn't , bc I did not grow up
    here. Did you go to parties/ dances in theearly 70s, when they had strobe lights, which would keep flashing?I had flashes
    of memories of Linda, and I kept tearing
    up. "Mr. Grief" ( thank you, Karen) "came
    knockin', you have to let him in". My grief
    therapist showed me that sayimg, along
    with suggesting GIC. I agree with Gary &
    thank God every day for this, and for our
    TGW. Everything else seems so trivial to
    me, but as Zuba says, I must choose life,
    and enjoy the autumn sun on my face. Lou
     
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  3. eyepilot13

    eyepilot13 Well-Known Member

    "I don't want to have to put another cent into this house.." YES YES YES just how I feel and why I want to move in part. Too much deferred house stuff cuz I was sick and then Valerie was... and oh yes she had brain surgery back in 2013 to have a tumor removed... I was such a carefree shit back then (only concerned about how hard work was getting teaching Science to 7th graders! Crazy! I guess I really wasn't worried about her, I knew she'd be ok..;. but then I had my ESRD, lost my job, and then her killerKancer... No wonder I feel like I lost 10 years somewhere! My sleep has totally sucked since the time change. It does every time my Circadian Rhythms get messed with. And we lost our other halves.... so EF Bomb away I think we are allowed if anyone is! N'Lakech! talk to ya soon!
     
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  4. eyepilot13

    eyepilot13 Well-Known Member

    Choose life enjoy the Sun... It's cloudy now here and chill. I have my churchy group today and dialysis... Hope you have a peaceful balanced day. Balance is my new thang! nNLakech!
     
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  5. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    Gary, I'm so happy that you made
    about 8 friends, & that you are able
    to correspond with one. My
    philosophy is the more the merrier,
    bc I can't depend on any one person
    to be available all the time. You may
    be OK for a while, without moving,
    if you have likeminded people in
    your life. L Lou
     
  6. DEB321

    DEB321 Well-Known Member

    Robin,

    I agree with you. I think my neighbor means well and you described her perfectly. She is very pushy!!! I've been having trouble finding the right words to express my feelings since Bob's death. I find it so frustrating because expressing myself in writing used to come so naturally for me. I hope, given enough time, this problem will "fix" itself. I'm so sorry you've had to deal with pushy people too. I don't think I would have been able to understand how anyone could want to be alone so much of the time either, if Bob hadn't passed away. However, unlike my neighbor, I would skip the comparisons, and would take no for an answer the first time. My neighbors who live directly across the street from me, are her best friends. The wife is super pushy, like the woman who invited me Thanksgiving dinner, but her husband is a super nice guy.

    The pushy neighbor who lives across the street from me went way past crossing any sort of boundaries when Bob was very sick, just a few months away from dying. She and I were never close, but we always exchanged greetings, and sometimes very casual conversation when we saw each other. Prior to the arrival of Bob's hospital bed, I called my next door neighbor and asked him if he either knew of someone who could use the sleeper sofa that was in the guest bedroom, but mentioned to him that the mattress was very uncomfortable, so if someone was interested in it, to be sure to tell them. The sofa was comfortable, just not the pullout bed. If no one wanted it, I told him to donate it to Habitat for Humanity. He has a large pickup truck. I also asked him, along with a few other men in my neighborhood, if they would move the couch into the garage. The husband of the pushy and nosy neighbor, who lives across the street from me, was one of the guys who came over to help. Only he didn't come alone. His pushy wife came with him. She said she was here to "oversee" the guys who were moving the sofa.

    The day after my neighbors moved the sofa, Bob's hospital bed arrived. It was another cold, rainy day. The same pushy and nosy neighbor, and her husband, must have seen the truck at my house, and saw me on the driveway talking to the delivery person. As soon as the delivery person got in his truck and drove off, the wife came over before I could get back inside. She immediately told me that Bob should have hospice care, that she could hook me up with a really good hospice provider, and that she did volunteer work for a hospice before moving here. I politely thanked her for her concern and told her that this is a very personal decision, that it is up to Bob as to what he wants to do. I told her that he wants to remain at home. She didn't give up. She kept telling me all the reasons she could think of why hospice would be the best choice for Bob. Of course, I had already thought about everything she had to say. WTF (excuse my language, but I need the strongest words I can think of here!!!) was she thinking??? She hardly knew either of us, and even if we had wanted to discuss hospice care with someone, it definitely wouldn't have been her, TU!!! This is such a personal choice, TU!!! I didn't want to, but I started crying in front of her. It was a difficult enough day to begin with, she was the last person in the world I wanted to have to deal with. Her husband must have realized that we had been standing on my driveway for a long time, in the cold rain that had slowed down to a miserable drizzle. He looked at me, and said he was sorry, he knew that it was a very difficult day for me and that he would pray for both Bob and me. He said to his wife that he thought I looked like I was freezing and they should leave so I could get back inside to where it was warm. As she was walking down my driveway she said for me to think about what she said. She wanted me to call her. Stopping here, I know you "get" it.!!!

    Backing up a bit, Bob and I talked about hospice many times in the past. Bob didn't want hospice. Although I think that at home hospice would have been the best choice, I respected his decision. It was his life. He had the right to decide how to spend whatever time he had left on this earth. I did everything I could to make sure he got the best care he possibly could, and did the very best I could to respect each and every one of the choices he made. In the end, I couldn't give him his final wish, an ambulance to transport him out of that local hospital and bring him to the large hospital in the city, the one where all of his providers were, the place where he would have been able to die with as much dignity as possible, and where he would have been made as comfortable as possible. Rationally I know I did the very best I could to get him out of that horrible community hospital, but it still hurts so very much... I couldn't do that one last thing for him. Stopping here. I can't stop crying...

    Thank you so much for "listening." The words seemed to type themselves. I'm having a really difficult day and they just seem to be getting more difficult the closer we are to Thanksgiving. I know the anniversary of Ron's death is on the 19th. I know you're struggling too. I haven't reached the one year anniversary of Bob's death yet, so I don't know exactly how I'll feel on that day, but I can only imagine how unbelievably difficult the 19th will be for you. I hope your daughter will be able to spend the day with you, unless you just need to be alone. I'm so glad you have Teddy in your life, especially on the days when you need to be alone.

    Thank you for the good wishes regarding my chrome book. If I'm not around as often as I usually am for awhile, it's because of my over the top slow chrome book. I think it's taken me almost an hour to type this, but I needed to "talk." Thanks again for "listening."

    Although there are still lots of leaves on the trees around here, my yard is buried in them. I'm going to do some raking, weeding, and some much needed clean up outside this afternoon. Hoping my neighbors across the street aren't home. They like to sit on their driveway, facing my driveway. The husband usually reads, but the wife spends way too much time watching what's happening on our street.

    Speaking of what's going on, I need to catch up here, but will probably do it later on this afternoon. I hope you're doing okay today, that you have at least one reason to LMSO...

    As always, sending lots of hugs to you and Teddy, wishing you peace, all of us peace. DEB
     
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  7. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    George, I looked in the mirror this am,and
    swore at myself for being so obtuse and self
    centered ,when I visited Linda in the
    rehab unit, in the nursing home. I bothered
    her about my own trivial
    complaints. Instead of focusing on HER
    needs. She was the one with cancer. after
    all. My fantasy is that genie would grant
    me one wish: to have one full day with
    Linda again, to tell her I miss her and
    will love her forever. Lou
     
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  8. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    Deb, your female neighbor sucks BIG
    TIME!!!Hate to correct you:Ron died, on
    Nov. 17.,Linda died 2 days later, on
    Nov. 19. Both of our spouses died 3 years
    ago, which has made me have s special
    bond with Robin. Lou
     
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  9. DEB321

    DEB321 Well-Known Member

    Lou,

    Sending extra hugs your way... I'm so sorry memories of Linda are all so bittersweet... It makes me so sad that all of life will be bittersweet from now on... for you..., for all of us. However, you are so strong, so determined to do everything you possibly can to find happiness. I love how you got on that bus this morning, and headed to Gloucester to make the most of a beautiful fall day, in spite of those tears. I love how you're following both Karen's and Tom Zuba's advice. I know this would make Linda so happy...

    Thank you so much for the smile today... I really needed it, TU!!! I'm having a very difficult day and unfortunately can't "talk" to you, or any of TGW as much as I would like to because of my very slow chrome book. So, if I'm not around as much as usual, know that I'm thinking about you, hoping that you're having way more reasons to LMSO, then to cry...

    I need to "choose life" too. I'm going to do some much needed yard work. I'm hoping just being outside will help improve my mood. I didn't sleep last night and was way too tired to go for a long walk, although I should have. However, I'm going to pick myself up, dust myself off, and get back out there!!! I will "choose life."

    I hope you enjoyed your breakfast at Charlie's. I'm looking forward to hearing about today's adventures later on.

    Sending lots more hugs your way, wishing you peace, all of us peace. DEB
     
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  10. DEB321

    DEB321 Well-Known Member

    Lou,

    Thanks for the support. I had to "talk" this morning. I'm sinking way too far into that deep dark hole again, and I won't allow myself to sink so far into it that I can't pull myself out of it!!! As I just said to you in my previous message, I will "choose life!!!"

    I'm so sorry I got the dates mixed up!!! I hate this foggy widow brain thing that I can't seem to ditch, TU!!! Thank you so much for correcting me. These dates are way too sad for me to get them wrong. I know how difficult these days will be for both you and Robin. I want to be here to support both of you. I hope my chrome book lets me!!!

    I'm glad you and Robin have a special bond, but I wish, with all my heart, that you had a happy reason for the special bond you share, another one of those TU!!!

    Got to go. Chrome book is slow. I can't stop crying and need to do something constructive. I hope my neighbors aren't home... Another one of those TBC's with hopefully a good ending, last TU!!! (for now.)

    Enjoy the rest of the day as much as you possibly can. Soak in all that sunshine... Enjoy the beauty of the ocean to the max... I hope you meet some interesting people during today's adventures... These are some of the important things in life..., the things that really matter the most. I'm so glad you're able to spend today doing them...

    As always, sending you hugs, wishing you peace, all of us peace. DEB
     
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  11. cjpines

    cjpines Well-Known Member

    It's rare to have a cat, Rambo, who acts like a dog. What you shared about Teddy is something similar that Rambo did when Jack was passing. We put Rambo on Jack's hospital bed, he always cuddled Jack. When he got to Jack's face he sniffed his cheek and ran off. He knew.
    I'm so glad Teddy is well, you need him.
     
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  12. cjpines

    cjpines Well-Known Member

    Thank you Lou, you are fortunate to have moved to your forever place and now so many friends who love you and the guys at the shack that like you.
    I just don't know where I would go at this time. Oh well, let go and let God decide.

    Linda is finally "home". Did you read today's reflection, 11/9th. Wow! it really hit me.
     
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  13. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    Thanks for asking about Charlie's, Deb.
    It was good for me to sit, anonymously
    for a change, at the counter ( something Linda & I never did). I received an email
    from a college classmate, who lives out
    of state. I went to his wedding in the
    early 1970s, but he got divorced. He was
    kind about Linda's death. I asked him if
    he were dating again, but he hasn't replied
    yet. I'm very fortunate that Kim has
    invited me to join her, and her 2 teens,
    for Thanksgiving. I must say, Deb, that as
    I told my classmate today, I'm open to
    asking a woman out, if she's coming
    from Boston, let's say, and loves Cape
    Ann. I don't drive & have no desire to
    live in the city again, where Linda & I
    lived, when we were working. Like Jonathan, I don't want to get married
    again. I enjoyed his funny sexual
    encounter with a former student who had
    a crush on him. A woman of 50 came to
    town a year after Linda's death, when I was still drinking. & my judgement was
    faulty. She plunked herself next to me at
    The Seventh Wave bar on the Neck. I was
    flattered & bought her a glass of wine.


    Then, I asked her to walk with me to the
    Shack, where we could drink MORE (!) &
    eat seafood. At the Shack bar, way down
    the end, she told me she'd broken up with
    her boyfriend, & I told her I was a widower. Like Jonathan, I didn't reveal
    our age difference, and she didn't ask.
    The next thing I knew. the woman was
    massaging my arm and tense back, and
    it felt good. Suddenly, she kissed me
    softly on the lips, & I kissed her back. This
    was unusual for me, bc even with Linda,
    I didn't engage in public displays of
    affection (PDA). If Linda saw another
    couple making out at the bar, she would
    tell me they should " get a room". The
    strange thing is that the kiss left me
    cold. I noticed the woman was slurring
    her words. When I came out of the
    men's room, she was gone, driving back
    to the city. The next morning, to my shock
    & horror, I saw her name in the loca
    police blotter. She had knocked over a
    mailbox, & drove on to a lawn., When 2
    police officers asked to see her license,
    she mouthed off at them. Turns out it was her 2nd DUI. The bartender shook his
    head, & told me I dodged a bullet. I
    stopped drinking 2 months later, Hope
    your yard work will help you sleep better
    tonight, Deb. Lou
     
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  14. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    Karen, I cried when you said Rambo
    "knew ", when he sniffed Jack's cheek that
    he was gone. I also cried when I read
    today's Center for Loss quotation which
    Deb recommended. I guess "Mr. Grief"
    is pummeling me today. Lou
     
  15. cjpines

    cjpines Well-Known Member

    The quotation today just blew me away. I can't stop reading it and thinking about it. Mr. Grief is visiting, yap he is.
     
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  16. RLC

    RLC Well-Known Member

    Lou, Linda knows. But one day sure would be special wouldn't it. She was very lucky to have you as you were lucky to ha e her. Robin
     
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  17. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

     
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  18. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    You made me cry, Robin, as did Deb &
    Karen. I guess I need to weep a little,
    before I see my friends on the Neck, on
    on this warm, sunny, 60s day. Lou
     
  19. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    After the anonymity of Charlie's, where
    NOBODY knew my name, I hopped back
    on bus for home. The Neck was lonely &
    sad for me, bc it was practically deserted.
    I visited 28 year old Adam, who runs a
    small computer store. He is an "old soul",
    who has seen a lot of tragedy in his young
    life. He's open year round, so I can visit
    him through the long winter. He gave me
    the first belly laugh of the day, and I told
    him it felt wonderful.,I returned the favor,
    & had a pleasant walk home. It's obvious
    I need people, good people, in my life. I hope your chrome works tonight, Deb. I
    want to see your reaction to my story of
    a woman I met at a bar, almost a year
    after Linda's death. You may be amused. L
     
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  20. DEB321

    DEB321 Well-Known Member

    Gary,

    I love!!! the advice the facilitator at your grief support meetings gave you, TU!!! I hope I don't have to, but if necessary, I'm going to follow your facilitator's advice. Thank you for sharing this with us. I'm thinking that feelings of wanting to/needing to be alone during the holiday season are much more common than I thought they were. I wish so much people understood this... But and this is one of those really BIG BUTS!!!, I rather people be ignorant than have to suffer through this total heartbreak.. However, while I can understand people being "clueless," it isn't any excuse for being pushy and nosy.

    You made me smile, trust me this isn't an easy thing to do tonight, when I read that you have made about eight good friends while doing volunteer work, and that you ran into an old friend who is going to go hunting with you Saturday. I love that you're getting some much needed exercise in too. I agree with you, and for me, trying to get some form of exercise in daily, is at the top of my daily to do list all the time. Fresh air and sunshine, or even on a cloudy day, being outside in nature... and a long walk, usually makes the rest of the day at least slightly better.

    I love what you just said that "I have to try to live in the solution and not the problem." I feel exactly the same way. I'm glad George has found an area where he wants to live after he sells his house. I think I read somewhere that there were some showings today. I hope so much he gets an offer soon... I hope when the timing is right, you, me, and Karen will find new places to call home too...

    I hope you're having a (mostly) peaceful evening, more smiles than tears...

    As always, sending you hugs, wishing you peace, all of us peace. DEB
     
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