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Discussion in 'Loss of Spouse' started by Gary166, Oct 5, 2021.

  1. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    Thanks, Deb! Karen liked The Grief
    Warriors, too. Haven't heard from Gary,
    George, & Patti yet. Hope Robin's OK.
    She hasn't written in a while. I love
    making you, Karen, & others laugh.
    Karen wants me to continue my typos
    to keep her "giggling". My classic "thongs"
    didn't get by you! Even though Al Pacino
    is older than I am, at 80 (!), he's short
    like me. After he did The Godfather, I
    saw him perform as King Richard III,
    with a humpback, at a church in Boston.
    Needless to say, the place was packed &
    people were excited to see him. At one
    point, the audience gasped bc some
    creature was suddenly flying over our
    heads. Pacino interrupted his speech to
    say, "It's a bat!!". Everyone laughed, bc he
    brol
    Thank you, Gary, for quoting my "The
    Grief Warriors" idea. So far, Deb, Karen,
    and you, are on board. I also like that you
    quote Karen's "Mr. Grief", who rears his
    ugly head, when we least expect it. As for
    your sister-in-law. try not to get trapped in
    her toxic bitterness & anger. There's a
    widow, 73, in town. We met at a widowed
    persons club. We were the youngest
    people there, & formed a bond. We ate
    at the Shack bar & had a good time. She
    invited me to 2 Christmas parties, as her
    plus one, at the homes of her "girlfriends"
    of 50 years. All good, until we went to a
    bar to see the daughter of one her friends
    sing at the bar. She seemed to be angry.
    When a friend of mine walked in, I
    introduced them to each other. He's 65,
    divorced, and his daughter died tragically
    in a car crash, at 16. We formed a bond
    over grief. I don't drink anymore, but he's
    been drinking more. He came in with a
    blind date, much younger than he is, and
    when he walked away, the widow was
    furious & asked me why men his age were
    with younger women. I told her about
    his only daughter, and asked her if she
    would deny his happiness. She didn't
    answer. The next morning, I was texting
    my friend, who noticed how angry the
    widow looked. I said that she should
    "lose her anger" & that it was not an
    attractive trait. I said that other widows
    I knew were more attractive. Well, Gary,
    I inadvertently sent my text to the
    widow. I was mortified when I realized
    what I had done. I got a terse reply from
    her: "Now I know how you REALLY
    feel". It was chilling. I sent her a box
    of chocolates, with a card that I was
    sorry I messed up & that I valued our
    friendship. She returned the box when
    I wasn't home. I knew we could no longer
    be friends. The funny thing is that I feel
    relieved. We travel in different circles,
    and have completely opposite views on
    mourning. My mistake happened for a
    reason. Be strong, Gary. Your permission
    to mourn overrides your sister-in-law.
    Remember your fear of meeting your
    uncle, which turned out OK. Lou
     
  2. Gary166

    Gary166 Guest

    Lou thanks for sharing your experience about the toxic angry and bitter individual. I love the message. I did get a LMSO when I read how you inadvertently sent your text to the wrong party. I like how you felt relieved when the toxic relationship ended. Sending Deb and Karen an extra big hug today. On my bike ride Monday I saw a rabbit dead on the road and thought he won’t last long. on my way back home turkey buzzards were having a nice meal. Today the turkey buzzards were feasting on a dead deer. I thought about the animal Kingdom changing form in regards to reincarnation. I would like to come back as a dragonfly to be consumed by a frog which was eaten by a snake that was eaten by a mink which evolved into a redtail hawk. The turkey buzzards in Indiana are protected and are considered as raptors. I used to volunteer for raptor rehab place called Soarin hawks. I was dispatched to injured raptors, capture them and take it back to home base. I only did 10 to 12 rescues. The native Americans revered the raptors because they were closer to the Great Spirit. I’m starting to ramble so catch up with everybody later. Hugs. Gary
     
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  3. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    Gary, glad you liked my wrong text story.
    I went to my grief counselor & was angry
    with how stupid & careless I was, at the
    time. My wise young friend,
    Kim, who's like a daughter to me, has a
    strong spiritual belief that "it will all
    work out, Lou" whenever I"m anxious
    about something. As far as "raptors" go,
    I keep thinking of poor Wayne Knight's
    character, being mauled & brutally
    killed by one in "Jurassic Park". Linda &
    I saw that movie in the theater when it
    came out & it was scary! Lou
     
  4. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    I feel so bad about your "auras " of
    migraines, Deb. Only those who have the
    absolute misery of them, can understand.
    I recall when I was a boy, playing catch
    with a friend. He told me his father's
    migraines were so bad, that he had to lie
    down in a completely darkened, quiet
    room. It was the first time I ever heard
    of migraines, and they sounded really
    scary. Not to compare at all, but I can
    sometimes get air pressure headaches,
    in the middle of night. When that happens,
    I take 2 extra strength Tylenol tablets,
    sit at a table, with an orange, GF cereal,
    with bananas & walnuts, & coffee. I stay
    at the table, looking for a Grief Warrior,
    who might have insomnia. The instant
    coffee doesn't keep me awake for long.
    I'm lucky that I can go to sleep after
    the weak coffee. As for Halloween, I
    loved trick or treating. Then, COVID
    happened & robbed children of their
    fun. I don't give a damn about the
    holiday. If anything, it depresses me,
    bc the Neck closes for the season, on
    Halloween. I WILL hop on that bus, for a change of scene, I write to you
    Loup
     
  5. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    OK, Deb, I think I may be hallucinating.
    I could've sworn I answered you before
    about Halloween. Maybe, in my "foggy"
    widower's mind, I forgot to press "Post
    Reply". What I thought I wrote, is that
    when I was a boy, I loved wearing a
    costume & trick or treating, in my
    neighborhood. I felt bad for children,
    who couldn't do the same, due to COVID.Linda & I were always annoyed
    that Thanksgiving gets short shrift, next
    to Christmas.When I was a boy, I went to
    my uncle's house for Thanksgiving. Linda
    liked going out for a sit down ( not
    buffet) matinee dinner
     
  6. Gary166

    Gary166 Guest

    Lou are there any YMCA’s in your area, fitness centers, or malls to walk in just to get out and not be stuck inside because winter? Has the sky been clear in the evening so you can see the full moon rise against the ocean? Thanks for the tip on the book permission to mourn. It’s a whole new dimension of our grief journey that I would’ve never thought possible. When I learned in school that the human mind is only using 10% of its Ability I understand the rest must have something to do with a supernatural. I have to exist in the dream world to survive losing Cheryl. I forgot to mention when I was on my bike ride today a yellow butterfly nearly hit me in the head. That was Cheryl and the butterfly could’ve easily hit me in the mouth. I ducked not knowing what it was. it could’ve been a kiss from Cheryl. Zuba Writes they are right here right now. Gary
     
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  7. DEB321

    DEB321 Well-Known Member

     
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  8. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    There is a YMCA, Gary, but it doesn't have
    an indoor track. The Senior Center sends
    a busload of seniors, older than I am,
    to walk the mall, but I have no interest

    My memories of going to the crowded,noisy mall, are not good ones.
    When Linda became ill, she ordered our
    clothes via catalogs. Now, I'm a loyal
    customer of the family run clothing
    stores in town. I'm not afraid to walk
    in the cold. I wear layered clothing under
    my winter coat. I can take a shortcut,
    up on a hill, away from a heavy wind from
    the ocean. We have been fortunate that
    we haven't had much snow since 2015.
    I have new shoe boots, rather than
    sneakers, for the winter. In the rare
    instances of ice on the ground, I stay
    inside. The last thing I need is a broken
    hip. I don't walk outside at night, but I
    did see the moon, on a clear night, from
    my window. I don't walk outside to see
    sunrise, but I have enjoyed beautiful
    sunsets. We don't have factories or
    manufacturing plants in my small town,
    so we have no air pollution. Love your
    butterfly story, and a possible kiss from
    Cheryl. Very moving. You share that
    experience with Deb & Karen. Hope
    you have a relaxing evening . Lou
     
  9. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    Deb, I heard that it is important, as we ag. e,
    to learn at least one new thing every day,
    to counter against dementia, as best we can. Studies have shown that elderly
    people who live a sedentary life alone,
    with very little stimulus, "staring at the
    4 walls", tend to develop dementia
    earlier than those who keep their
    minds active, and exercise ( in my case,
    walking). A good habit I picked up since
    Linda died, is to write down the names
    of people I meet on the Neck, or in the
    Shack, or elsewhere. I also try new
    restaurants, & explore different places
    on my walks. You pointed to one of my
    favorite quotes: " Variety is the spice of
    life". My sense of humor, my ability to
    laugh & make others laugh, is to observe
    my interactions with people: As in the
    famous Clint Eastwood movie, The Good,
    The Bad, and The Ugly!! Lou
     
  10. cjpines

    cjpines Well-Known Member

    Lou and Gary. Jack and I always sat outside, snow, rain, cold, heat every afternoon called Happy Hour. We would put on our snow clothes for the cold, bring out our chairs and sit either on our deck or outback. Yes, we were cold, but we had to get out of the house. Neighbors thought we're crazy, yes crazy happy. In summer we would put on our swim suits and sit on the deck or out back again with our squirt water bottles and fans. Jack even took off all his clothes and sat in his favorite chair with his water squirt bottle, he could of been a very "HAPPY' hippie.
    So, Lou, I'm so glad you are not afraid to walk in the cold, layered and ready to go. Fresh air in any season is good for our soul. I still sit on our deck and will continue Jack and my tradition hoping he's sitting right beside me in our chairs.
     
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  11. DEB321

    DEB321 Well-Known Member

    Lou,

    I'm sorry you get headaches too. All kinds of headaches suck!!! Migraines suck big time, but I'm lucky because I get auras before the pain. If I take 800 mg of ibuprofen within 5 minutes of the beginning of the aura, it usually stops the migraine from hitting. However, it's hard to describe, but even if I don't get the migraine, the experience leaves me way beyond exhausted. All I want to do is become a couch potato for the rest of the day. Sometimes like you getting those air pressure headaches, I'll wake up in the middle of the night with an aura. If it happens at night, I'm usually okay in the morning, and can function, just at a slightly slower speed.

    Halloween was always one of Bob's favorite holidays. He loved!!! taking our children trick or treating so much, that I would usually volunteer to stay home and pass out the candy. I would open the door in a costume. The little ones were so cute!!! There were always a few who wanted that candy, but were scared to come all the way up to the front door, but I always made sure I was able to put something into their bags. Our dog used to stand next to me whenever I opened the door, decked out in one of her many festive bandanas. She must have had at least a dozen for every holiday. My best friend bought her the most adorable St. Patty's Day bandana. Of course, it said "Kiss me, I'm Irish" on the front of it. She was well loved and got lots of kisses. (I know lots of people don't like the idea of kissing dogs, but we not only kissed her, she liked to sleep with us. (I'll tell you about this another time if I remember.) She was 90 pounds of long, fluffy white and yellow fur, so adorable and sweet. She was one of the nicest, friendliest dogs I've ever known. She would have made a great therapy dog, but I didn't have the time to train her between taking care of the kids and helping to run the family business. I better change the subject because once I start "talking" about my very favorite fur baby, I have a hard time stopping. Don't want to bore you to tears!!!

    Like you and Linda, I have no idea why it seems like Thanksgiving always gets the short end of the stick. Bob used to say he thought it was because it wasn't as big a money maker as Halloween and Christmas. Which reminds me, I hate!!! the way we're constantly bombarded with adds during the holidays, but will get off my soapbox before I even begin.

    We used to bring the children to our parents' homes for Thanksgiving. Bob's side of the family was big and there was always a separate table for the kids, not enough room around the dining room table even when both leaves in place. My side of the family was much smaller. It was a long day, dinner at one place, dessert at another... We were glad when we were finally at home, the kids were in bed, and we could just relax for awhile. I'm getting teary eyed, so stopping here.... I miss Bob so much... Even though my head knows he's gone, my heart still wants to believe, however irrational it is, that he will be back. GRIEVING SUCKS BIG TIME!!!

    I think I might be turning this into a short book, so stopping here, before I keep on going, like that Energizer Bunny. Which reminds me, I need to get new batteries for my smoke detectors.

    Really ending this now.

    As always, sending you hugs, wishing you peace, all of us peace. DEB
     
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  12. DEB321

    DEB321 Well-Known Member

    Lou,

    I agree with you, it's so important to exercise, do things that make you think, explore new places, etc., etc., etc. Alzheimer's scares me. I have a first cousin on my father's side of the family who died of early onset Alzheimer's at 57. My grandmother, also on my father's side of the family had Alzheimer's. And finally, my mother suffered from it. It is one of the reasons I try to eat as healthy as I possibly can, and get in some regular exercise. I don't know how much of it is hereditary. I don't think I want to know. I pray that none of my children ever develop it. Backing up a bit, Bob's father suffered from some sort of dementia at the end of his life.

    I think it's a gift to be able to make people laugh. Bob liked to make people laugh as much as you do. His timing when he was about to say something funny was always perfect. I miss him so much... I need a tissue.

    As always, sending you hugs, wishing you peace, all of us peace. DEB
     
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  13. DEB321

    DEB321 Well-Known Member

    Karen,

    Bob could have easily as you said it, been a "HAPPY hippie" too. Thanks for the laugh!!!

    As always, wishing you peace, all of us peace. DEB
     
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  14. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    Thank you, Karen, for your support and
    encouragement. I kept Linda's cane &
    walker, if anything happened to my legs.
    I also kept her shower bench, but
    fortunately didn't have to use it. If
    anything more serious were to occur,
    and, God forbid, I couldn't walk, I would
    by a motorized wheelchair,so as not to
    miss out on socializng, and gazing at
    the changing tides of the ocean. Lou
     
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  15. DEB321

    DEB321 Well-Known Member

    Gary,

    I love!!! your butterfly story, TU!!! I agree with you. It definitely was Cheryl. We need to always watch for signs from our loved ones. I believe that Cheryl, Linda, Jack, Jack, Ron, Valerie, and Bob, and everyone else's love of their lives, is watching over us. However, it still doesn't take away any of this heartache. GRIEVING SUCKS BIG TIME!!! However, we are TGW!!! We can and will get through this together!!!

    As always, sending you hugs, wishing you peace, all of us peace. DEB
     
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  16. DEB321

    DEB321 Well-Known Member

    To all TGWs,

    I'm exhausted, so checking out. Wishing all of you sweet dreams...

    As always, sending you hugs, wishing you peace, all of us peace. DEB
     
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  17. cjpines

    cjpines Well-Known Member

    Hooray for you Lou, good attitude for all of us to think about.
     
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  18. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    Deb, I'm so sorry about the history of
    dementia and the dreaded Alzheimer's
    Disease in both your & Bob's family. We are doing the best we can. Kim's parents
    are my age, and quite active, curious about
    life, and fun. Kim says all of us look 10
    years younger than we are. Part of it is
    heredity, part of it, a healthy lifestyle, and
    part of it is living in the present, not dwelling in the past, or worrying about
    the future. Of course my role model
    continues to be Ginny. She is very
    interested in people, and only talks about
    her past, if asked. I'm much better, ( but
    still have bad mornings, or sad dreams
    waking up from a nap), than I was, for
    about 6 months after Linda died. Hope
    you have a better sleep tonight than
    last night, Deb. Bc I was up in the night,
    keeping in touch with TGW, I had to take
    a half hour nap. That was perfect. Longer
    than that would negatively affect my
    sleep tonight. Pleasant dreams for all of
    us! Lou
     
  19. cjpines

    cjpines Well-Known Member

    I can't believe that I've had giggles lately with the Grief Warriors and I'm just now starting to share some stories which I was not ready to do.
    So, I guess what Tom Zuba says, "Share, talk about your stories over and over again, I'm listening".
    Thank you GW. Karen P. S. I thought how could telling your stories over and over again help, Well.
     
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  20. Van Gogh

    Van Gogh Well-Known Member

    Thanks, Karen. I got the idea seeing an
    older man. with a white beard. bombing
    around on his wheelchair downtown &
    on the Neck. Then, he sits in the shade on
    Main St. & greets locals & tourists alike. L